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with a black islamist flag. according to the a.p., both are triggered by a movie produced in the united states that protesters say is anti-muslim. the a.p. reports it was made by an anti-muslim extremist. we are tracking the breaking news and will bring you developments throughout the hour. also, you are looking live at ground zero, september 11, the day none of us will forget. we will remember that day with you. and why won't president obama meet with netanyahu? but first, an urgent warning. it is about our nation's debt. as if the threat of going over the fiscal cliff isn't bad enough, it now gets worse. if congress doesn't reach a budget deal, moody's will cut its triple-a realitying by one notch, so can congress strike a deal? and avoid this downgrade? senator john thune is on the budget finance committee. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, greta. >> greta: so. moody's says they doll this. >> this is the latest warning we have gotten. obviously, this is not the first time that we have been warned. this is the most predictable crisis we have ever had. we know exactly how serious the situa
is the militias in libya with all the guns and weapons were equipped while the united states led from behind to do nothing. something one of the lessons is when there is this kind of thing, we should be in there, helping our friends in this case establish law and order. the public reaction in libya, the killing of the ambassador is frankly very sympathetic to the united states. and i think we should be taking advantage of that. lou: we didn't like the results of the election in egypt, but they also had an election, they also had change direction, again from a direction that the united states is not particularly enamored with. nonetheless, they had changed the character of their government in the direction of the nation. what should we do there as well? >> well, i think that we should be a lot clearer about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. it was unacceptable for the president of egypt come to the united states into the case of sitting in jail because of the 1993 world world trade center bombing. it is certainly unacceptable for president mohammed morsi of egypt basically equivocate a
are not going to t along with anyone, so why try to pacify them? england, the united states, get out of the united nations. i'm tired of hearing hate speeches from people from other countries condemning us. this is a united nations of hate. host: if you go to the united nations web site, it says -- what you think? caller: i think at the time it was probably a good thing, but i don't think they counted on the rise of communism from china and russia and on the muslims and i think the muslims are a big problem with the united nations right now and we should stop trying to pacify them. we have a wenow who seems to sit there and watched-- we have a president now who seems to sit there and watch it. all he has been doing is apologizing. they killed two of our soldiers in afghanistan and the apologized to them. when the embassy was attacked, it was the man who had the movie's iffault. these people hate us. host: here is this on twitter -- here's the washington post front page -- many remember last year when the palestinian leader's request for membership was denied, not something supported
right now after the killing of the united states ambassador in libya. so how dangerous is it now for americans abroad? also, as the u.s. moves to hunt down the killers, libyan authorities make at least one arrest. but was it a mob attack or something much more ominous? >>> and mitt romney's taking heat even from some republicans for his harsh criticism of president obama's foreign policy. is he ready to dial back or double down again? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> u.s. warships are moving toward libya today as president obama vows that no act of terror will go unpunished. his words. but in the grim aftermath of the u.s. consulate attack in libya which left the u.s. ambassador and three other americans dead, there are still serious questions as to which group was responsible. meantime, violent protests sparked by an anti-islamic film spreading across the muslim world today. in cairo, crowds have again gathered outside the u.s. embassy right now. they've been throwing rocks and fire bombs as police answer with tear gas. in yemen, police open fire to disperse
are having to adjust and they believe the united states is weak and they are taking appropriate action. bill: also over the weekend congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house intelligence committee and former fbi agent echoed that sentiment. >> the countries of middle east believe there is a disengagement policy by the united states and that lack of leadership there or at least clarity on what our position is causing problems. i, if we all decide to rally around the video as the problem we're going to make a serious mistake and we're going to make i think diplomatic mistakes as we move forward if we think that is the only reason people are showing up at our embassy to conduct acts violence. bill: the romney campaign says the obama administration is failing to throughout that part of the world. heather: there is more trouble brewing between israel and iran as a nightmare scenario could be coming close to reality. prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the iran will be the on the brink of nuclear capabilities in just six months. he use ad metaphor to describe the new emergency and claims t
. >> i believe mitt romney wants to be president of all of the united states. this week we learned mitt romney wants to be president of half of the united states. if mitt romney were president, he weent waste time worrying about the 47% of americans who he believes are victims, who romney believes are unwilling to take personal responsibility and those are his words, madam president, not mine. he'll only worry about how the other half lives, i guess. that's what mitt romney told a group of wealthy donor at a closed door fundraiser in florida a month or so ago. but it turns out it wasn't closed. someone videotaped every word he said to his wealthy donors. but this is among other things what he said and this is a quote. "there are 47% who are dependent upon government, who believe that they're victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it." mitt romney said his job as president would not be to, "worry about those people." but half of americans are those people. he went on to sa
is unthinkable. and devastating. and when i become president of the united states, we will stop it. i will not cut our commitment to our military. >> the president once again blasted romney's hidden camera comments on the 47% of americans he dubbed victims of government dependence. >> i don't think we can get very far with leaders who writeoff half the nation as a bunch of victims who never take responsibility for their own lives. >> 47% of the people vote for the president no matter what. who -- >> the obama campaign turned romney's secretly recorded remarks into a devastating new ad claiming the gop nominee's words under the families and veterans. >> so my job is not to worry about -- they should take personal responsibility. >> romney two days in a row out to link national security to the nati sluggh recovery. he's seizing on new economic data revising down the 2nd quarter gdp. >> this is not just one quarter. this has been going on now for years. china's growing much faster than we. russia's growing faster than we. our economy needs to be reinvigorated. >> but not all the numbers
that he would like to see brazil, china, india and russia gang up on the united states. he says it's a bad idea for america to be number one, he calls that america and germany, he wants to end it, he wants two, three, four, and five to come together and pull america down. >> lou: and why is such a man tolerated? what is the point? what does he bring to the students of harvard university? what kind of madness, like the fools who thought that the euro would replace the dollar and wonderfully sophisticated trans atlantic geniuses thought the dollar's days are done. haven't we had enough of that nonsense. >> this guy is not only tolerated, but separated and of course, obama took his courses and retained a close relationship and when the 2008 election, he skipped town, i'm a leftist and revolutionary, if anybody connects me with obama, it's going to hurt obama. he's a cocoon that protect the sillness and represent some insight into the future, and-- you're right the problem is when it's taken by a guy in the oval office to endorse pablam, and encores in the united states. >> and tell when what
the swiss embassy in tehran, shouting death to the united states. the swiss embassy handles u.s. interests in iran, and is being heavily guarded right now by police. >> as for the president, president obama vowing all necessary steps. security being beefed up to protect u.s. citizens all around the world. >> and, and a major development in libya. the first arrests in connection with the attack that killed two well-respected american diplomats and two former navy s.e.a.l.s. >> want to begin our worldwide coverage this morning out of cairo with ian lee. ian talk to me a little bit about this world via twitter from the muslim brotherhood that they are announcing the protests will only be held in tahrir square. why is that? >> well, brook, what the muslim brotherhood is saying, is that by canceling the protests around egypt, they hope to curb any violence that happens from those protests. but they said they're holding a symbolic protest in tahrir square. they also added that because it's symbolic, means there's not going to be a lot of people, a low turnout. you know, they can't have one prote
the united states, in fact, for something like this. i think thers going to be a lot of, you know, the u.s. is really going to hunker down and think about how they want to proceed now. not just in libya but in the whole region. >> elise, this is brooke. let me just, as john points out, you know, diplomats really are certainly mourning this morning and we're covering the ory, really there's no way any other network can. if we can just back up and if you can help us fill in the blanks as far as what exactly happened. here we are day two now of protests. we've been covering the protests in cairo and in benghazi. we remember covering the revolution, it was really the rebel stronghold last year. explain what exactly happened as far as this ambassador is concerned and the three other workers who were apparently with him in his car? >> details are very sketchy right now. what we understand is we knew yesterday, towards the end of the day, that as we were watching those pictures at the embassy in cairo, there were gunmen that had approached the u.s. consulate in benghazi, and breached the walls
for the united states coming on and misleading the public. basically we have sent a letter to ambassador rice to explain herself. >> you know, there's a story out today, i didn't know if you saw it, senator, but the story essentially was that the united states government within 24 hours knew it was a pre-planned terrorist attack. your thought on that. because that indicts rice and whomever else was in this cover-up even more. >> that's right. ambassador rice came on the sunday morning programs and said that, in fact, it was a spontaneous reaction of course to the video. and in no way was an expression of hostility toward america. and you have to say killing four american heroes, quite honestly, attacking our consulate, if that's not hostility toward america, i don't know what it is. so, no, i think it's pretty apparent that the administration must have known, had information, and ambassador rice was sent out on the sunday programs to mislead the american public. i find that outrageous, and i think she needs to explain herself and explain herself fast. we should also call for an investigation.
developments in the hunt for the suspects in the attack that killed the united states ambassador to libya and three other americans. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> with only 47 days to go until the election, the romney campaign's about to roll out another new strategy. voters will be seeing a lot more of mitt romney. in fact, we're only minutes away from his speech at a rally in florida. our national political correspondent jim acosta is joining us now live from sarasota to set the scene. jim, what's going on? >> reporter: wolf, we expect mitt romney to be out here in sarasota, florida, in just a few minutes from now. this is where his advisors say after a relatively light schedule over the last couple weeks, mitt romney and his campaign will be picking up the pace. and after seeming to defend those comments on that hidden camera video on government dependency, romney appears to be shifting again on that message as well looking for something that will stick. after being caught on tape writing off 47% of voters as obama supporters who are dependent on government, mit
the ascension into the world trade association. she said the united states must normalize trade relations so american business can reap -- speakingrussia's in the new york times, this piece in the weekly review pointing out the democratic party realized one kind of history and it would like to realize another with hillary. it is time for a woman. both conventions there were ghosts of politics past, present, and teacher. next is he larry. caller: i have been watching this for -- ever since it started here. i have been paying close attention throughout my life. my parents were democrats. i have seen them, and i have seen -- i became an independent. i voted for the ban that would best do the job. well, in the last four years i have seen republicans cost the united states a downgrade adventure it's true -- in its credit rating. i have seen them block every opportunity to come to a budget conclusion. i have seen paul ryan and make statements that he knows are false. all through the whole scenario of the last four years. you would know he is lying about fax. as far as mitt romney goes, you're sorr
the president strongly defend one of the united states' deadliest and most effective weapons against would-be terrorists. and in a cnn exclusive, the brother of al qaeda's top leader now says there is a way to reconciliation and peace. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room"." >>> all that coming up. we begin with a very public and new escalation of some tension between president obama and prime minister benjamin netanyahu. israeli sources tell me the white house at least for now has rejected prime minister netanyahu's request to meet with him later this month to discuss iran's nuclear program. the israelis were told a meeting isn't possible because of the president's schedule, schedule won't permit it even when they offer to have the prime minister come to washington from new york where he'll be addressing the united nations. the white house is pushing back saying the president and prime minister simply won't be in new york at the same time this month to address the u.n. but this is just the tip of the icebe iceberg. in a much bigger disagreement right now over iran's suspected q
across the muslim world and delivering a stern warning to iran saying the united states will do what it must do to prevent tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. we're going to have reaction to the president's u.n. address coming up in just a moment. first though, brand new stories and breaking news. >> the deadly west nile virus outbreak across our country is now getting worse. with one state hit very hard, the new efforts to stop the virus right in its tracks. >>> wild weather killer floods and mudslides are forcing more than a million folks out of their homes. we're live with that story. >>> plus a new first for the mars rover as its robotic arm reaches out to touch a huge rock on the planet. now the rover on the move again. where it is headed next and why the trip is making history. it is all "happening now.". jamie: first back to our top story, violence in the middle east is centering in the gathering of the united nations general assembly. i'm jamie colby in for jenna lee. jon: the president warning iran that the u.s. will quote, do what we must to prevent the rogue nation fro
, wherever they are in the world, are protected by the full force of the united states government. i would like to see our nation grow strong again. you don't ever touch one of our citizens wherever we are in the world. if you do, the wrath of the united states government will come down on you. host: among the two major candidates, who do you believe best exemplifies that or do you trust most with foreign policy? caller: mitt romney. his statement may be a week or so ago when he said we need to be so strong that no one would dare touch us -- it seems we are in a position now that we are left at all over the world. nobody is afraid to take on the united states government and more and that is really said. host: let's move on to jean in north bend, washington, our line for independents. ♪ caller: thanks for taking my call. i trust president obama. i pretty much agree with the gentle man but called before the republican lady. i think there are too many loose cannons in the world already. we don't need mitt romney who is really a loose cannon out there to represent us. i think we have gained
states citizens should not be denied by the united states. the issue are they putting roadblocks to get more voter suppression to, to make the process more difficult? if there was supposed to be a period of public comment, why didn't the secretary of state do that? >> heather: is that the issue to have the right to vote? >> here the voter suppression that i'm concerned with. i'm concerned about the suppression of my vote and your vote, of every single voted that is legitimate vote is being tampered down by illegal votes. there are thousands being cast all the the time and it doesn't take that many illegal votes to sway an election. >> i love you dearly but the fact there are thousands and thousands of illegal votes is absolutely non-proven. >> heather: that is not. have you not seen our series right here on fox done by our own eric shawn weekly talking about the issue. >> i don't mean to intererupted but in michigan there is a study that has proven there was 1400 dead people that voted and hundred illegal felons that voted in the last few elections in michigan alone. voters in florida t
the end of it, and they were just wrapping up. but as usual, they blame the united states, israel, and the west in general, and the main protest was, again, as you said, the recent claim that was made that it appeared to be anti anti-islamic. and they issued statements in support of their federal students in egypt and libya. >> all right, shirzad live on the ground in tehran where the protests seem to be over. there were other protests around the region overnight, much larger protests in the capital of sanaa. mohammed jamjoom joins us on the phone right now. he is in beirut, but he has been watching theeldispsed. it was initially between 2,000 to 3,000 angry demonstrators, angry over this film that had emerged through the u.s. embassy in sanaa earlier today, but now it's only in the dozens. what we were told by eyewitnesss witnessing all of this is that this was an angry crowd and that at least five or six members of this crowd had been able to breach the compound's security, had been able to get to one of the main gates and break one of the windows, but initially yemeni security
dangerous country in the world. and the number one threat to the united states is iran acquiring a nuclear weapon. the suggestion by prime minister netanyahu that the united states should set a red line and say in advance that we would use force if iran achieved a certain level of progress in its nuclear effort doesn't make a lot of sense to me. this is a question of war and peace. and both president obama and president bush have tried to say we need to negotiate with iran and have the ability to sanction it and use force if necessary, but you don't want to put yourself into a corner and use force based on actio and a predetermined level as what the iranians do. so i think president obama is right here to resist that. and israel should know that the united states has its back as the president has said and the united states will do what it must do to stop iran. but let the united states make that decision, not some preimposed red line. i think that makes sense for america. >> president obama on " 6/0 minutes" on sunday said this. let's play a clip. >> and it comes to our national security d
weapons program. there is no nuclear weapons program, according to 16 united states intelligence agencies in 2007, reaffirmed in 2011. even the israelis are now saying we think the americans were right. they don't have a nuclear weapons program. the ayatollah has said nuclear weapons on iran's part would be immom, unjust and unislammic. so why are we now considering talking about a war on a country to he dehe prior it of weapons of mass destruction it does not have? >> the big news out of netanyahu's speech is he reaffirmed the fact that israel has no intention of attacking iran before the november election. i think there was concern that there'd be this november surprise. and i think that the intelligence agencies in this country and in israel agree that iran has not made the decision to go nuclear and what netanyahu wants to do is if they get close, he wants a preemptive attack. let's talk about it after the election. i think netanyahu's attempts to insert himself in american politicses have backfired. >> to pick up pat's point, you may be correct. >> there is already a black line. >>
,000 jobs a follows governor. i was a reformer. my opponent, number one liberal in the united states house of representatives. she is the number one spender in the house of representatives. it is difficult to be able to be number one. rightlways done what was for wisconsin and always will. i need your help and i hope you will support me. >> thank you. our first question will be from robert kennedy. >> governor, good evening. a lot of people in wisconsin have come to the state since your time as governor, and maybe not as familiar with you as others. a lot of people are finding about you through the campaign ads they see and hear on radio and tv. some of them are pretty hard against each other. i would like you to tell me what you think is the biggest inaccuracy in an ad that your opponent is running against you. >> my opponent started out the day after the primary and she spent millions of dollars with left-wing liberal individuals in washington. she does not have a record to run on. 90% of the people know me as tommy. not as mr. thompson, where gov.. my wife and my children have lived the
's a crude film. they know it has nothing to do with the united states government. it is an excuse. one intelligence person told me, if you scratch the surface, and if you gave every street vendor from street vendor to prime minister in that region a chance to throw a rock at the u.s. embassy, they would. so this is their excuse. >> look at what's happening in afghanistan 11 years later. >> and look what's happening in afghanistan. and is it just me? willie, is it just me, or is it -- we have the grave concern about the tragedy that happened to the ambassador and our people that have served so proudly for, you know, for the state department who were killed. and yet this weekend, more u.s. troops in afghanistan gunned down by our supposed allies. this happens every day. this happens every day. and yes, our u.s. ambassador being killed is just absolutely horrific. but every single day, young american men and women are gunned down in afghanistan. >> 51 of them this year on insider attacks. 51 nato troops including many americans this year. >> nobody's talking about it. >> to your point exa
to be the standard security in high risk consuls and embassies that the united states has around the world and that includes no low refile armored vehicles, the vehicles that have the tires that will continue to operate even if they're shot out. and other security measures were not there on the ground. general jack keane commented on the security that was missing here on fox. >> there's been a pattern of attacks all through the summer. so we have a pat he tern of specific aggressive attacks and finally, our consulate is attacked. now, that's a movement that's doing that and that is coordinated. i don't think any film, even 9/11 maybe the day they chose to do it because of its significance, but that's certainly people who are out of power, there are moderates in power in libya, they want it undermine that government and foreign powers assisting that government are the target. common sense will tell you that our security for that ambassador and that consulate was totally inadequate. and after we do that assessment and we're putting the proper security in place, rest assured whatever it looks
reported the 67th meeting of the united nations general assembly involves 120 heads of state. >> as the 2012 united nations general assembly gets underway. iranian president is already making news by scolding the u.n. security council. >> the security council has failed to establish justice and ensure sustainable peace and security in the world. >> iran is facing international scrutiny and u.n. sanctions for its nuclear program, with israel calling for action. alaskait may arise tomorrow. the president is also likely to mention the unrest in the muslim world. this morning, secretary of state, hillary clinton, talked about the assassination of the u.s. ambassador in libya and said the world will not tolerate mob violence. >> the people sent this message loudly and clearly on friday. when they forcefully rejected the extremist in their mist and reclaimed the honor and dignity of a courageous city. >> president obama is fielding criticism for skipping bilateral meetings with world leaders, but making time for an appearance on a daytime talk show. >> they have telephones in
by an arlington, va., next. caller: thank you. ron paul needs to abolish the federal reserve or the united states treasury will take over printing money. then the investments would be safe. thank you. host: jeff, republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. as an individual, i have tried to save, realizing that social security was at risk and so forth. i have spoken to people in houston from argentina. frequently. my boss is from argentina. i have to say that if you are unaware of the debt of economic collapse, you really need to find someone who has experienced it. if our credit rating does collapse and we have to pay realistic interest rates, we could not even make the interest on the debt with our taxes, currently. host: jeff, thank you for the call. with the overall debt now in excess of $16 trillion, "the new york times" phrase -- framed it in terms of saving enough. david on the twitter page has this point -- host: shock is on the phone from hawaii, up early on this sunday morning. caller: yes, they have not saved enough. my social security is very minimal. i have been working for m
of the united states that still views the united states as a problem, you know, 300-plus million people that view america and the west as an enemy. and so this is the ideology that we continue to combat, and i think that there has been a reticence in recent years to even call it that, to include the word islam when talking about this ideology, but i think it's incredibly important, and not because islam is the problem but modern islam is the solution. when you take a look online and take a look at the messaging out there you see a good deal of intolerance. a lot of the messages has been dialed back. they are not overtly calling for violence as they did pre 9/11. you are still seeing a hatred and utter distain for western values that come through there and i think that continues to power this ideology, and perhaps, again, not driving us to violence, but certainly seeing, you know, probably stopping just short of that, and so the question that i have is, at what point do they just turn that up just a little bit and the violence could begin again? jenna: a lot of work to be done. thank you
or iran or turkey invoking the greatness of their own power and impact and the united states tends to be more future oriented but in this particular case you found that the trauma of the hostage crisis and in the iranian revolution is still very formative and the - of americans who are responsible for the iran policy. >> guest: it is. ambassador ryan crocker told me one time in an interview that they are the most historical were the least historical society. and in this case i think there's still certainly every time they have a negotiation including the most recent one in moscow during the whole litany of grievances, so it is always on their mind. whether the u.s. policy makers realize it or not, the are too. the first years after the revolution clearly the hostage issue was for most american policy makers mind. if the iran contra happens that causes the relationship with the next prior risk and we saw it happen to ronald reagan and over a series of instances where they have spurred u.s. efforts to the rapprochement. there's a great example like to give just on this idea of the mo
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in a factory, and vanzetti had an odd job after immigrating to the united states and he had started working as a fish vendor. they were ordinary immigrants, but in the united states, they became radicalized of the anarchist leader who advocated violence. but it was ordinary, and i think the fact that they were just too ordinary guys caught in a nightmare that it's part of the reason we are still talking about this today. we think they are there for the grace of god. >> finally, susan tejada come something about your book was april 15th, 1920 you put it in context. it was also the opening day of the boston red sox baseball season, first year without babe ruth. why do you do that, why you put it in the larger context? >> i really hoped to bring their readers and to the story to make it seem real so that the readers might feel they are in the courtroom, they are in the prison and in the death chamber. it's important to make history come alive. >> susan tejada this is your first book right? >> first adult book. >> you've written children's books? what is the name of one? >> i've written childre
't expect to survive the assault. this man, speaking in english, accuses the united states of attacking islam. >> reporter: the september 14 nighttime raid was the mos destructive enemy attack in the decade-long afghanistan war. ur insurgents armed with automatic weapons and rocket- propelled grenades destroyed six harrier jets and attacked fueling stations. these pictures, taken by the taliban the morning after the ertack, show fires continuing to burn. all but one of the enemy fighters were killed, but so were two u.s. marines. sergeant bradley atwell and lieutenant colonel christopher raible died during the hours long fire fight that ended the assault. the video was e-mailed to the media by a taliban spokesman so it's impossible to tell from the tape when or where it was made or if the men in the video, scott, actually took part in the attack. >> pelley: bob, thanks very much. the u.n. secretary general, ban ki-moon, had asked iran's esesident not to say anything derogatory about israel during srat general assembly meeting this week. well, mahmoud ahmadinejad ignored that today. he c
%. in nebraska, our rate is 4%. we have created jobs in the state. that is what we need to do in the united states as well. i have a jobs plan. we need to back government away from small business, need to have government reduce regulations that are such a burden on businesses so they can create jobs. we need to reform the tax code. we need to reduce energy costs. we need to help small businesses to create those opportunities. >> senator kerrey, you have 30 seconds. >> senator fischer signed a pledge that would require you should pay the same taxes employees pay. under your balanced budget, unemployment would double. i have examined the amendment, and it would double unemployment. >> i disagree. with regard to the buffet rule, if you are going to tax every millionaire, that can run the government for 17 hours. let's look for businesses to create jobs and make opportunities in the state, and we can do it by reducing regulations, by having an energy plan, by repealing "obamacare." >> the next question. >> a question in this cycle is, are we better at today than we were four years ago? are we?
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